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BlueEagle
I believe that advice for when to accept an offer during the Top Dollar bonus game has been discussed a few times. However, the only relevant discussion I could find is in a thread for another game.
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Top Dollar is a strange one, does the game tell you whether keeping the win is Optimal or whether one should try again? I understand how the game works, but I've never played it. Does the game give the probabilities of hitting certain results?

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I finally remembered last night to take a photo of the strategy guide. The strategy for accepting the offer is based on the offer amount. The 'best play says' that will be displayed after about 20 seconds is based on the strategy and is not a definite indication that the next offer will be higher or lower.
'Although individual results are random, the best overall strategy is to select [Take Offer]
If the 1st offer is at least 50
If the 2nd offer is at least 45
Or if the 3rd offer is at least 35'
(This photo of the game info screen is from the Top Dollar machine in the high limit room at Aliante.)
tringlomane
Note this is 'Double Top Dollar'. Original top dollar may be different. But if it is, I doubt it is by much.
BlueEagle
In the Wizard of Vegas game guide for slots under Advice:

https://sacomg.netlify.app/texas-holdem-poker-3d-gold-edition-full-version-free-download.html. In Top Dollar, if you watch the little screen, it will eventually give you advice, after about 20 seconds. It shows it quickly, so pay attention. You should follow this advice.


The key point that I want to make for this thread is that the 'Best play says' advice of 'Try Again' or 'Take Offer' is based solely on the strategy that can be found in one of the Info/Help screens. The advice of 'Try Again' does not guarantee that the next offer will be higher.
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If it was me I would rather choose the Take offer. Choosing try again does not guarantee you anything. It is more risky than just taking the offer.
Mission146

If it was me I would rather choose the Take offer. Choosing try again does not guarantee you anything. It is more risky than just taking the offer.


By that same standard, tossing a Jack of Spades that would otherwise start you with a pair of Jacks is more risky than holding the JQKA of Diamonds that you were dealt with it, which would you rather do?
Vultures can't be choosers.
AxelWolf

In the Wizard of Vegas game guide for slots under Advice:
The key point that I want to make for this thread is that the 'Best play says' advice of 'Try Again' or 'Take Offer' is based solely on the strategy that can be found in one of the Info/Help screens. The advice of 'Try Again' does not guarantee that the next offer will be higher.

On some machines this advice thing was hard to noticed. IIRC it slowly scrolls across the digital screen in green letters. I didn't really notice it at first, it's not like I had that many good opportunities to play it. I was just winging it on the last offer depending on how much it was.
I do believe MaxPen pointed it out to me, he also has some experience with TD. You can grab his attention, he's probably over gloating in the election thread.
On the rare occasions I have a good reason to play TD I now do what it says to do(I think The Wizard would agree) in the long run it should work out better for you. I had better results taking its advice. Legally I don't think they can offer long term bad advice. I wouldn't treat it any different than a table game or VP strategy. It may not work out each time, however in the long run it's the best way.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
tringlomane

Legally I don't think they can offer long term bad advice.


Probably not. And in New Jersey at least, they must offer the correct advice, or the game wouldn't be legal.
IcarianX
I play 3 Credit - $25 Dollar Top Dollar Deluxe at a 'Boutique' Casino in Eastern Pennsylvania. Its slowly becoming the game I transition more to, from $100 WOF.
I come up with this conundrum when playing, because I've had this happen multiple times
Offer 1 - 35 Credits (Pass No thanks) $875
Offer 2 - 100-10-5-X2-X2 = 460 Credits $11,500
I almost wish they would show you the offers you missed. Theres a part of me that wants to push it and go to the next offer, but in the 3 times its happened, I've taken the offer everytime. its a 25$ game, I couldn't imagine its average multiple payout much higher than that.
Honestly it has paid out more than the 2 Credit - 100$ Top Dollar games I've played at the Seminole Casinos in Florida (avoid them like the plague)
Nathan
A good rule of thumb is to not be greedy. I have read that a guy had a good offer on just $1(100) and decided he wanted the $1000 prize and held out for it. He ended up with $15 and was mad. Don't be greedy.
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Boz

I play 3 Credit - $25 Dollar Top Dollar Deluxe at a 'Boutique' Casino in Eastern Pennsylvania. Its slowly becoming the game I transition more to, from $100 WOF.
I come up with this conundrum when playing, because I've had this happen multiple times
Offer 1 - 35 Credits (Pass No thanks) $875
Offer 2 - 100-10-5-X2-X2 = 460 Credits $11,500
I almost wish they would show you the offers you missed. Theres a part of me that wants to push it and go to the next offer, but in the 3 times its happened, I've taken the offer everytime. its a 25$ game, I couldn't imagine its average multiple payout much higher than that.
Honestly it has paid out more than the 2 Credit - 100$ Top Dollar games I've played at the Seminole Casinos in Florida (avoid them like the plague)


With that level of play, you would be a king in Vegas. Not sure what VF can be giving you of value in comps.
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krava
I don't want to make a couple of threads so I will ask you these questions if someone can answer them.
#1 What is your set spending limit (in credits or $$) that you say to yourself that if you don't get the bonus by then, you will get off of the machine. Those machines are basically setup just to get the bonus. The other pay offs are pretty bad on it.
{Personally for me I try to set a limit of $60 on the $1 machine and $300 on the $5 version. I have been guilty of putting $170 into a $1 top dollar before without the bonus $240 into double top dollar and never getting the bonus.)
#2 In your best guess, (for people that play the game), after you do hit the bonus, in general how long does it take to show up again?
(My best guess on this is probably another 30-40 spins).
#3 If you get a bad bonus, do you continue to play the game or just take the offer?
(I usually play the game until I get a bonus, If I don't have to put extra money into the machine and I get a bad bonus, I will take it and maybe come back to it later. If I put extra money into it, I will keep going. 8/30/16 I was playing double top dollar. I must put $240 or $260 into the machine before I hit the bonus and was down to 1 credit. 1st offer 15 2nd offer 25 3rd offer 30 (best play said to try again), 4th offer was 15 credits. I got that and kept going and didn't get the bonus again and I ended up using everything in my wallet $40 more and lost it all.
#4 How many times or how often do you get at 'decent' bonus (lets say 40 or 45 credits) and the machine says best play is to take offer and you don't take offer and you end up getting something better then what was offered? {I personally have seen it done several times, but personally I never got lucky enough to EVER get a better offer then the 3rd one.)
#5 Do you think that once you get the bonus, it is already pre determined or it is determined at the time you push the next offer button.
#6 Is the 3 credit version of the game worth playing? I notice that if you are on a 3 credit machine, the pay table is doubled because of the extra credit. Do you think that it is fair for them to do that? More the Fair? or you refuse to play the 3 credit version nd stick with the 2?
Wizardofnothing
If you choose to PLOP Down and play these then you have to expect to lose- putting your money in and playing and quitting of you so no hit a bonus is just useless if you plan on going back and playing in the future, the machines do not know you left-
You can find most of the answers you are looking for posted alresdy in the forum-
Everything you are asking is pretty much alresdy been discussed as myths in here
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Nathan
Chasing bonuses is usually a bad idea. I would say if the bonus doesn't come up within 20 spins, it is time to stop. Sure, the goal of playing slots is to get more money than you came in with, but cutting your losses(stopping before you lose any more money)is important too. Would you rather lose $20 or lose $200? Food for thought.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D 'Man Babes' #AxelFabulous 'Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil.'-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D 'For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?' Wizard, August 21st. :D
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It won't matter if you plan on coming back- the machines dont know you left
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AxelWolf

Chasing bonuses is usually a bad idea. I would say if the bonus doesn't come up within 20 spins, it is time to stop. Sure, the goal of playing slots is to get more money than you came in with, but cutting your losses(stopping before you lose any more money)is important too. Would you rather lose $20 or lose $200? Food for thought.

There are very few bonus machines where the bonus will come up on an avage of less than 30 spins. Not that that matters beause you are going to give up the same EV if you play 5 machines for 20 spins or one machine for 100 spins, but thats just a strange statment you made.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Nathan

There are very few bonus machines where the bonus will come up on an avage of less than 30 spins. Not that that matters beause you are going to give up the same EV if you play 5 machines for 20 spins or one machine for 100 spins, but thats just a strange statment you made.


I meant a maximum of 20 spins is what should be spun without getting a bonus because constantly spinning on a machine that is just not giving the bonus is a bad idea. Cutting losses is the best thing to do in this situation.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D 'Man Babes' #AxelFabulous 'Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil.'-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D 'For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?' Wizard, August 21st. :D
Wizardofnothing
And axel.. You think he doesn't run into Kentry... I sat not possible
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Nathan
Once again, I have no idea who Kentry is.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D 'Man Babes' #AxelFabulous 'Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil.'-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D 'For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?' Wizard, August 21st. :D
Wizardofnothing
Ok whatever
How do you feel it's cuttings your losses if you continue to play another machine
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